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Master/disciple guide explain by Bones
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Bonesro
Mon Dec 28 2009, 10:20AM

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This guide it is still in progress ( I am working on it )...

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“He treasures his master, friendship, duty, promises, kindness, vengeance, honor, and righteousness more than his own life.”


Origins

The word "sifu"(shi-fu - master) in the case of a Chinese martial arts instructor, is the combination of two characters: "teacher" and "father". From this terminology, we see that martial arts school, or kwoon (wu-guan) is viewed as an extended family unit with the Sifu at the center.The term takes on a more intimate context when a student becomes a formal student or disciple of the teacher.

Traditionally, a student might have two different kinds of relationships with his Sifu. Regular students are called Siuto (xue-tu), which translates to "student." These are the various people who join the class; some stay for two classes, some stay forever. It does not really matter, just as long as they learn or at one time learned from the teacher. This relationship is based on Confucian respect: Once a teacher, always a teacher - Even if you get better than your own teacher! In fact, it reflects very well on your teacher if you surpass him. Traditionally, you can only have one Sifu, though nowadays, people are constantly switching and changing their instructors.

Another, deeper relation between Sifu and student is the Todai(tu-di), which is often translated as "disciple." After a formal Tea Ceremony, where everyone dresses up in their Sunday's best and the Todai kneels while serving his Sifu tea, he is virtually considered an adopted son. This requires a lot of dedication and responsibility.

The acceptance as a student is a very formal event, usually requiring a discipleship ceremony called bai shi. After the ceremony, the relationship is defined as a more direct parent/child context and usage takes on this term rather than a generic sign of respect for skill and knowledge.

In our days, Grandmaster and Master, are titles used to describe or address some senior or experienced martial artists. Oriental martial arts traditionally use terms that are usually translated as "teacher” and the use ofmaster is a Western invention. This came from 1950s US war veterans returning with stories of incredible martial feats of individuals and groups in Asia and subsequently, they found their way into martial arts culture as marketing tactics when in America.

Source of information: wikipedia & internet.



Mod Edits: Removed from sticky due to the shutdown of Acme's US/EU9D.

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Bonesro
Mon Dec 28 2009, 10:20AM

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MASTER vs DISCIPLE in 9dragons

Master is a player above level Sun and Moon 1 (73 ) who can accept disciples. In the spirit of China tradition, thus, when a martial arts master undertakes to teach a disciple martial arts, he not only takes on the role of an instructor but also assumes the role of a parent. To be a master, you must guide your students, teach them more about 9dragons, reward them, take them under your ‘wing’. In old days, a master of martial arts did not go around recruiting students.In fact, it was the other way around: if you wanted to learn martial arts you had to ask him for the honor to be his student. In 9Dragons game, as master you have to go on low level maps and start search for disciples.

A master of white clans can have disciples from white clans (doesn’t matter from which white clans, beggar, wu tang or shao-lin, for example a wu tang master can have as disciples a beggar and a shao-lin) and a master of black clan can have only disciples from black clans(same as white clan).






Disciple is a player under Sun and Moon 1 (73) level, who is looking for a master to guide him. You will make a big mistake if you only search a master to get rewards. If a master takes you as a student consider it like a rare honor, because for the master, this is a huge responsibility.



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Bonesro
Mon Dec 28 2009, 10:21AM

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CHARACTER INFORMATION

1.MASTER
Press C, than Pupil screen button:

You will see:
a)Master name : Bones
b)Category : (Clan/Class/Role) : Wu tang /Senior Blue Dragon (Warrior)

c)Level : 5th class
d)Master & disciples band title : (emty for now)

e)Members of Discipleship ( for now we can have only 2 students)
f)Contribution points ( with those you can buy items, weapons, clothes, only MASTER can buy)

g)Rank of disciple ( in function of contribution points and quests)
h)In game communication screen : Send a pigeograr/Send a whisper/Invitation
i)Expelled ( only for Master – after 72 hours you can expelled a student)

j)Disciple class chat



In the right of the screen you will see some chinesse letters :

1th one is referring to BC points, if the class is in full session ( all disciples are on ), you gather all killings of mobs in 1, to get more quick a Blood Points.

2th one is referring to DESTRUCTION POINTS, if you all are logged on, you get experience points/mob from 2x to 10x. The experience points is given at 50 killings. That screen counts your own mobs.


If you log out you lose all of them.

2.DISCIPLE
Press C, than Pupil screen button (like at MASTER )
You will see:
a)Your Master name : MyXcc – SAME AS MASTER

b)Category : (Clan/Class/Role) - SAME AS MASTER
c)Level : 5th class - SAME AS MASTER
d)Master & disciples band title : (emty for now)- SAME AS MASTER
e)Members of Discipleship ( for now we can have only 2 students) - SAME AS MASTER
f)Contribution points ( with those you can buy items, weapons, clothes, only MASTER can buy) - SAME AS MASTER
g)Rank of disciple ( in function of contribution points and quests) - SAME AS MASTER
h)In game communication screen : Send a pigeograr/Send a whisper/Invitation - SAME AS MASTER
i)Retired( only for Disciple– after 72 hours)

j)Disciple class chat - SAME AS MASTER

In the right of the screen you will see some chinesse letters like the MASTER have. ( see at MASTER description, is the same).
As a disciple you get a special buff. If master is offline, all disciples lose the buff.




BAND TITLE :

For now the band title is available only in mall (permanent). Open the virtual store and buy the item with the name Master & Disciple Band Title.


Move it in your bag.


Press it with your mouse button and you will see a screen. Write down there what you choose to be your band title.


The title will be added automatic and will appear in the screen of your character.



If you want to add another one, buy another band title item.


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Bonesro
Mon Dec 28 2009, 10:21AM

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THE QUESTS

How can you become the MASTER ?
When you reach level 73 , you will receive a quest in Hefei from an NPC. ( I will post detailed all the quests from Master, when we will have the new patch)

Rank-up quests ( for now we are stuck to 1000 contribution points)

You can’t add disciples, only they can add you. You have to travel in the land and find them.

How can you become a DISCIPLE ?
Even you are a disciple, you also have quests to make ( I will post detailed all the quests from Master, when we will have the new patch).


How can you become DISCIPLE under a MASTER?




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Bonesro
Mon Dec 28 2009, 10:22AM

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THE NPCs

Hefei NPCs
1.Discipleship Manager : Sima Tiezhong ( I kept the items order from NPC)









2.Discipleship Items Merchant : Xie Xiong( if you notice, some items have time limit duration).



1st set of items & weapons:





2nd set of items & weapons






3rd set of items & weapons





4th set of items & weapons





3.Discipleship Items Merchant : Chu Xialian – decos group on Master levels for clans. I am not sure about vagabonds. We have 3 types of decos:

1. Damage increase by…/Attack Rating increase by…
2.Cki Kung damage increase by…/ Cki Kung Attack Rating increase by…
3. Movement speed increase by… / Defence increase by…
The points on the increase depends on the level of the master. The decos are limited in time ( for example they can be wear for 5 days, 7 days, 10 days).

1st set of decos






2nd set of decos







3rd set of decos







4th set of decos







MAP NPCS
You will see in every village a Discipleship Manager.
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Bonesro
Mon Dec 28 2009, 10:24AM

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Questions

1.How can I become a master?
You have to make a quest in Hefei.
2.As master can I add disciples?
No, you can’t , only they can add you.
3.How can I find disciples?
Travel around the low level maps and ask players if they want a master
4.At what level can I take a disciple?
At SM1 (73)
5.How can I become a master after I have been a disciple?
You will receive a quest in Hefei. You have to leave your actual master to become one. After SM1 level, a disciple will not take away master's contribution points.
6. What I gain for being a master?
Bonus experience at 50 mobs killed (from 2x-10x/per 1 mob), items, decos, weapons, special ranks.
7.What I gain for being a disciple?
Bonus experience at 50 mobs killed (from 2x-10x/per 1 mob), special ranks, disciple buffs.
8.What are contribution points? How I increase them? Who can use it?
Contribution points are the points acquired by mobs killing or quests used to trade them in favor of items, decos, weapons and so on. You increase them if one of the disciple is online in same time with the master and they start killing mobs. The master can use the points for buying items and the disciples to decide the ranks.
9.Can I leave my master ? Can I kick my disciples?
Yes, after 72 hours since you/they have joined.
10.What happen when a disciple leaves or get kicked?
Student contribution become 0 and the master loses 50% of contribution points from the disciple.
11.What are ranks, how I use it?
They depend on contribution points, but they are buged for now.

I will try updating with time, the quests will be added after we have the new patch,atm we are stuck at 1000 contribution points and from a karma quests the NPC is gone with the bugs Enjoy it!
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scoobydoo1
Fri Jan 01 2010, 03:45PM

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Hmm... Allow me to share my expertise on the subject, since I am after all a Singapore born Chinese, and the Mandarin language and Cantonese dialect is well within my linguistic capabilities.

Bonesro wrote ...

The word "sifu"(shi-fu - master) in the case of a Chinese martial arts instructor, is the combination of two characters: "teacher" and "father". From this terminology, we see that martial arts school, or kwoon (wu-guan) is viewed as an extended family unit with the Sifu at the center.The term takes on a more intimate context when a student becomes a formal student or disciple of the teacher.

I believe the word you're looking for here is "師父" which is pronounced as "Shi-Fu" in Mandarin, and pronounced as "Si-Fu" in the Cantonese dialect.

The word "師父" is also traditionally known as "Teacher" instead of the popular but often poorly mistranslated and misrepresented meaning of "Master" in most western cultures with their popular depiction of Asian martial arts movies and/or their inadequate translation of the words, phrases, dialogue used in the Chinese culture.

The word ShiFu can be applied at many different professions in the Chinese culture besides martial arts. And it is commonly used to address a person with "exceptional" skill in his or her chosen profession, like metal-smiths, chefs, carpenters, and just about any other profession who's "ricebowl" is reliant on a set of "skills" attained thru many moons of practice and experience.

In a martial arts context, it is naturally applied to a "Teacher" of any number of martial arts form(s). These Teacher or Shifu will selectively accept pupils or apprentices whom they deem worthy of imparting their knowledge and skills on to ensure that their cultivated knowledge is passed on to future generations.

The word "徒弟" is traditionally known as an "Apprentice" or "Disciple". It is pronounced as "TuDi" in the Mandarin language, or "TouDai" in Cantonese dialect. They are historically known to have shown physical traits and/or character worthy of being accepted by their "ShiFu". But of course in modern times, these "criterias" are not overwhelmingly practiced by many(but not all).

Traditionally, the relationship between a ShiFu and their TuDi is akin to that of a "Father and Son" in terms of the respect and obedience a Disciple shows to his/her Teacher, and the responsibility a Teacher has to "groom" his/her disciples in both character and skills to carry on their art(s).

Bonesro wrote ...
Once a teacher, always a teacher

I believe the phrase you're looking for is "一日為師,終身為父". While the literal translation isn't 100% accurate, I suppose it will suffice for the benefit of those unfamiliar with the Mandarin Language. ^-^


EDITS: is there something wrong with the screenshots? All I'm seeing are photobucket's boxes saying "Bandwith Exceeded"

The term "Kwoon" used in the wikipedia is an inadequately simplified term used to describe "武館", pronounced as "Wu-Guan" in the Mandarin language or "Mo-Gun" in the Cantonese dialect, which can be described as a training hall where martial arts taught.

In a fantastical world of martial art, not all martial arts Sifu(s) or their disciples require such "premises" in order to teach and/or learn their art(s). Most martial arts are usually taught and practiced behind closed doors, or under the cover of darkness(usually late at night or at the early hours before sunrise) in-order to preserve what these practitioners deem as closely guarded secrets of their art, and usually do not welcome those outside their circle to be privy to their training sessions.

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lildevil13
Fri Jan 01 2010, 04:41PM
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scoobydoo1 wrote ...

EDITS: is there something wrong with the screenshots? All I'm seeing are photobucket's boxes saying "Bandwith Exceeded"


same
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Bonesro
Sat Jan 02 2010, 01:00PM

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lildevil13 wrote ...

scoobydoo1 wrote ...

EDITS: is there something wrong with the screenshots? All I'm seeing are photobucket's boxes saying "Bandwith Exceeded"


same


Will be back to original form on 4th january, when they restart the bandwith.
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Bonesro
Mon Jan 04 2010, 03:19PM

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scoobydoo1 thanks for your share, I read a lot of wuxia novels and sow a lot of wuxia series, but it is still hadr to understand some aspects of the kung fu world.

The images are back to normal, was a photobucket promotion to take more money from the ones who had accounts on that image host provider.

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scoobydoo1
Mon Jan 04 2010, 04:03PM

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Bonesro wrote ...

scoobydoo1 thanks for your share, I read a lot of wuxia novels and sow a lot of wuxia series, but it is still hadr to understand some aspects of the kung fu world.

No problems ^-^

Growing up in South East Asia allowed me to be exposed to many types of medium where the WuXia genre flourished, and with a kid brother who is a big fan of the HongKong comics aka "漫畫" pronounced as "ManHua" in the Mandarin language, you can probably tell why I was attracted to 9D in the first place

Yup, even with what I would consider as "limited" knowledge regarding the topic, I bet I have a better grasp of the genre then your dear Mr. SE Altman.

Perhaps they should have hired me to re-write the 9D storyline given by Indy21, instead of "creatively translating" most of the original ingame scripts. I bet I could have done a better job at it, given the "right kind" of motivation of course. ^-^

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Bonesro
Tue Jan 05 2010, 01:24PM

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scoobydoo1 wrote ...

Bonesro wrote ...

scoobydoo1 thanks for your share, I read a lot of wuxia novels and sow a lot of wuxia series, but it is still hadr to understand some aspects of the kung fu world.

No problems ^-^

Growing up in South East Asia allowed me to be exposed to many types of medium where the WuXia genre flourished, and with a kid brother who is a big fan of the HongKong comics aka "漫畫" pronounced as "ManHua" in the Mandarin language, you can probably tell why I was attracted to 9D in the first place

Yup, even with what I would consider as "limited" knowledge regarding the topic, I bet I have a better grasp of the genre then your dear Mr. SE Altman.

Perhaps they should have hired me to re-write the 9D storyline given by Indy21, instead of "creatively translating" most of the original ingame scripts. I bet I could have done a better job at it, given the "right kind" of motivation of course. ^-^


I agree with you because me, as a european (romanian), growing in another culture I see the things different and it is very hard to understand some things from another culture and to try expose it to my culture. If I do that I lost all the essence of that culture and values.Olnly someone who grow in that culture knows how to explain it. As I undertand Jwa Baek wrote 9dragons story for Indy21, but the sheets translate by SEA are hard to undertand if you don't have a minimum wuxia knowledge. One is on those sheets and another is game reality.


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Bonesro
Sat Jan 09 2010, 11:10AM

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I added new informations about M&D band title. Unfortunately you have to pay for it (mall item).
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