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| Darenor |
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 Registered Member #432 Joined: Wed Sep 24 2008, 04:41PMPosts: 5 | Since some players of 9dragons dont have enough time to play the game,I thought it would be a good idea to at least find a way to start a private server development.Here is the reasons for me to think so 1) I dont have enough time to play 2) I want to play this with a little community like my friends 3) I want a complete free item mall and custom items as I want 4) I want a high refine chance ( because I suck in refinement,hardly I got my gloves to +6 ) 5) I dont want to grind a lot of time for a level up 6) I want to change gameplay as I want 7) I would love to have bosses all map around with little debuff,greater exp and custom drops like in many games,spawn rate increased I am quite sure that many people want to do the same What we need is some coders , some people who can give time to start a development here I am hoping to see some people wake up and say yes for this idea Thanks in advance by the way I am Darenor from Bardo,FC4 hybrid . Acclaim can ban my character after they see this , I wouldnt really care , I retired from Acclaim community already . [ Edited Sun Jan 17 2010, 12:24AM ] sdf | ||
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| Gouranga |
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 Registered Member #236 Joined: Mon Sep 01 2008, 02:25PMPosts: 39 | A private server would be very nice, but unfortunately it isn't very realistic. It would cost a lot money: -You need a server -Officially you need a license from Indy21 -If it's an English server, you probably need some arrangement with Acclaim about the translations and player restrictions (or else all their players come to the private server). Maybe it is possible to make an unofficial server based in a country without internet laws, but still you need a server. Most likely it will be funded based on item mall and/or p2p. I don't think any of us is so rich to set this up entirely f2p. Edit: Just saw this on Acclaim forum: http://phpbb.acclaim.com/9dragons/viewtopic.php?t=124214&sid=a99774335a242a77089301c262a526e0 [ Edited Sat Jan 16 2010, 04:18PM ] Bardo: -Gouranga-/Deva Monk/Henan Temple Szechuan: LaoSunTzu/Blue Dragon/NewWorld megadeth/Taishan Bandit/Rebelion | ||
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| scoobydoo1 |
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   Registered Member #136 Joined: Tue Aug 26 2008, 12:50PMPosts: 1703 | In case you were wondering, I am the one who voted No ^-^ There are a couple of questions yet to be worked out. 01. Who will own this server and its content? 02. How do I know if its not gonna be used as a test server for acme to try out their newer content? 03. Who will decide what content is added? And how do you make that decision? This is not only a major monetary investment, it is also a major "manpower" investment in terms of effort put in at running it(be it "coders", translators, maintenance personnel, etc) and keeping it running. And more importantly, just how do you propose on getting a copy of the game? Gonna head over to acme and borrow their installation discs?  [ Edited Sat Jan 16 2010, 11:17PM ] J9D Szechuan Server: ShenMo CS11 SF Nuker, MoShen GB5 HD Healer (Aug 2008 to Nov 2009) Status: Retired (Server Closed) US/EU9D Bardo Server: --Kabuto-- CS9 HD Healer, -Hanabi- GB8 SF Hybrid (Aug 2007 to Aug 2008) Status: Retired (No longer wish to play a defective version of 9Dragons, especially with PARA-SPAMMING AD-BARS with FUNKY DISCO LIGHTS) | ||
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| Darenor |
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| Registered Member #432 Joined: Wed Sep 24 2008, 04:41PMPosts: 5 | You guys all missed the maining Someone can code an unofficial java server like they coded lineage 2 and many games around I wasnt saying a licenced one sdf | ||
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| masterdoomer |
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| Registered Member #173 Joined: Thu Aug 28 2008, 03:59AMPosts: 37 | i think it would be a good idea (if they make it like 9d jap but more exp rate and 2nd role) | ||
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| calcrist |
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  Registered Member #712 Joined: Sun Dec 28 2008, 07:43AMPosts: 154 | Well, its a great idea, but when you actually get down to what you need to get it done, it starts to feel more and more unrealistic Like some already said, youll have problems with manpower and with cash. And like scoob says, how can we trust this pirate version? (Since youre pretty much saying thats what we should do) Then theres the issue at mantaining it. Unless all the people involved in its creation live fairly close to each other, or have the resources to physically be wherever the server is, this idea simply wont work As far as I know, all private versions of a game are either one of two: a service made by the publisher/developer to make money out of a niche market, OR pirate versions that charge less for playing, but still charge. Im pretty sure all those unofficial versions floating around still use servers and still hire staff to keep them running. I really dont believe theres unofficial versions of online games out there that would let you play without charging you something Im sorry, but it just sounds childish. If we had the people with the resources, the skills, the desire and most importantly the TIME to make an unofficial version of 9d, Im sure there would already be one I think youd be better off trying to find an already existing pirate version than trying to gather up people to make it, unless you will actually contribute something to the project besides moral support Props to Irrelevant for my avatar | ||
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| Darenor |
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| Registered Member #432 Joined: Wed Sep 24 2008, 04:41PMPosts: 5 | Nope I seek everywhere but no private server of it. So I am trying to get attention for the server development , Since I dont know how to code,I would code it myself if I know how to do. What I know is they need to bypass Gameguard,then listen to Sockets and decode it. but I dont know how to do it too private servers wont charge money,check l2.hopzone.com and see how the system is sdf | ||
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| Telperiar |
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   Registered Member #1 Joined: Sun Jun 15 2008, 04:02PMPosts: 527 | There are a few sites pretending to offer a private server, but I wont trust them. Downloading altered client files got a high chance of getting infected by nasty malware. I have had an eye on the client/server traffic and I doubt it would be simple to re-engineer it. The login is quite simple, but everything beyond is encrypted handshaking. Running a private server would cause legal issues with Indy21 and Acclaim, therefore you would need to run it in a country outside their reach, like Russia. Doing it wont be free, and therefore you need to charge for playing, like with "Donations". Having a private server is also having an empty server. Even some hundred players would getting lost in "vasts of space". Pretty much retired from MMO gaming due to vast amounts of work. | ||
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| Darenor |
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| Registered Member #432 Joined: Wed Sep 24 2008, 04:41PMPosts: 5 | Those sites are just offering the "Refer System" of the browser games Telperiar you could find out how to encode the decrypted files I guess , creating the login server is just the half of the server. If you could do it,I would really like to see you try By the way I would just setup the game for 25 friends If I had server files and make the game Turkish for all and change the game play as I wanted If you could build the login server,you could share it on ragezone,and people would start the development. By the way,creating a private server is not illegal if you would just play with friends and dont advertise your server too much [ Edited Tue Jan 19 2010, 01:44PM ] sdf | ||
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| lildevil13 |
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lildevil13  Registered Member #265 Joined: Wed Sep 03 2008, 09:41AMPosts: 746 | Lol Darenor no offence but you make everything sound so easy when you yourself don't know how to do it. Lets say .. why would people do such thing for you ? Don't Hate the player, Hate the Game ! Lost Saga homepage [/link] | ||
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| Telperiar |
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| Registered Member #1 Joined: Sun Jun 15 2008, 04:02PMPosts: 527 | A login server is far away of being half of the deal. Just to mention some catchwords: - Registration process - Pre-Login process - Update process - GG bypass or "legal server" simulation - communication protocol - handshake and encryption - communication balancing (i.e. line of sight) - item database (level, visual, damage, value, drop ...) - mob database (level, visual, damage ...) - character database (exp, abilities, inventory, store, trigger-flags ...) - map configuration (mob location, respawn, npc ...) - npc behavior - quest scripts - AI of mobs - damage equations (damage, armor, buffs, duffs ...) - leveling and upgrading curves - performance balance And I am quite sure even THIS is hardly half the deal. Re-engineering an game server is twice the work of developing one from scratch. All you save is developing an client, but a client is the minor problem. Acclame is having an official Server since years but still unable to manage the catches above. 9D may become abandonware before getting even to them already.  Pretty much retired from MMO gaming due to vast amounts of work. | ||
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| Darenor |
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| Registered Member #432 Joined: Wed Sep 24 2008, 04:41PMPosts: 5 | lildevil13 wrote ... Lol Darenor no offence but you make everything sound so easy when you yourself don't know how to do it. Lets say .. why would people do such thing for you ? lol lildevil13 I know its not that easy I once looked the process too ,took my 10 hours to understand even how to code it with an easy tool.Dont worry I know its even harder than some can imagine I didnt ask it for using myself alone,if someone would create it,It will be shared for whole community and I just wanted to bring it to minds since noone is asking for it and I am asking for a community Telperiar wrote ... A login server is far away of being half of the deal. Just to mention some catchwords: - Registration process - Pre-Login process - Update process - GG bypass or "legal server" simulation - communication protocol - handshake and encryption - communication balancing (i.e. line of sight) - item database (level, visual, damage, value, drop ...) - mob database (level, visual, damage ...) - character database (exp, abilities, inventory, store, trigger-flags ...) - map configuration (mob location, respawn, npc ...) - npc behavior - quest scripts - AI of mobs - damage equations (damage, armor, buffs, duffs ...) - leveling and upgrading curves - performance balance And I am quite sure even THIS is hardly half the deal. Re-engineering an game server is twice the work of developing one from scratch. All you save is developing an client, but a client is the minor problem. Acclame is having an official Server since years but still unable to manage the catches above. 9D may become abandonware before getting even to them already. Yes you are right,I believe still some coders could do it,I am just bringing the idea to minds,since noone opened a topic like this in any forum.As I stated before,I am just bringing the idea to minds,since noone opened a topic about it. Thanks in anyways.  I hope for some coders see it and at least think about it. sdf | ||
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| IrIE |
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 Registered Member #269 Joined: Wed Sep 03 2008, 03:57PMPosts: 54 | The Acclame server... Brilliant cover up if i may say so myself. | ||
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