BluFlash wrote ...
If you want to make input, then make input. Is this forum nothing but a series of attempts at clever commentary?

BluFlash wrote ...

If you would like to make a meaningful statement on the issue, then it may actually be constructive.

BluFlash wrote ...
Scooby, it wasn't directed at your post, although it could definitely apply to some of your others.

scoobydoo1 wrote ...

firstly, do not mistake an individual's presence, for an entire community here in this forums. it shows a lack of understanding towards the concept of any online community as a whole.

secondly, i dont recall there being any "standards" laid down in stone i have to uphold by quote "want to make input, then make input" , since telp's forum rules never stated anything of that sorts.

however i do recommend that you do what all great leaders do BB...

"lead by example" ^-^

BluFlash wrote ...

Li, I think tradable cash items will only help in reducing the Hefei spammers as it will reduce the economic incentive for them to do so.

Li wrote ...

only thing is that the rich get richer, because this way its even closer to indirectly trading real money for in game money.

1st - So called "gold-sellers" are scammers in not just a few cases. Especially in games like 9D where gold-farming is not easily done by bots the chance to be scammed raise high. Those people dont care about your mall.

2nd - Even in games where mall items (sometimes even gold) are tradeable theres a huge price difference of how much money can buy the official and the 3rd party way. Take Rohan for an example and compare the "Exchange Market" pricing for gold with the spammer ones.

3rd - The economy of 9D is highly inflationary due to the missing gold sink. It wont be smart to sell mall items for gold. People would prefer to sell mall items for gear or materials creating an parallel market.

4rd - Because of the rarity of some gear items, and the inflation, such items might become not longer offered by gold but mall-items only. This would become another disadvantage to non-paying customers, for being unable to buy good gear on market. Another heat up of the inflation would be the result.

aimeer1983 wrote ...

I think the implementation of tradable item mall will only increase the spammers.. If we look at it like a circle

1:Player needs item
2: Spammer company buys items
3:Player needs money to buy item mall
4:Spammers sell gold
5:Players buy gold
6:Players buy items
7: Spammer gets more gold, and more real cash

Who profits in this action? The spammers. What will happen? Increased amount of spammers.

Spammers get money from the item mall selling and gold selling. How is this helping the community at all? Im tired of the lack of understanding the Acclaim reps have of this community and game. How each move they makes only leads us to hate them more and think of them as incompetent fools, well hey at least they do a good job at that.

BluFlash wrote ...



I think your logic is flawed. With tradable items, the spammers now have to compete with every other item maller. They are no longer the only middle man for players with cash that want in-game money. They have to lower their prices to compete, and will not turn nearly as much profit from the game. With less profit from 9dragons, they have less incentive to market here, when they can get a better return from another game.

However, just so I'm clear on what you're saying.. the spammers will now buy items from the item mall... sell them for in game gold, then sell the in-game gold for cash? What type of margin do you think they'll be getting on that?

aimeer1983 wrote ...

Ben, Ill try to be as clear as possible: Spammers main goal is profit from selling gold; In fact, they are the main reason our in game items are so expensive. Why do you think they have been able to survive so long? We look at spammers like they have no clue what they are doing, yet they know more about the balance of the economy and the affect they have on our prices.

Take this, Spammer company's were buying loads of bes at cheap prices knowing that the 10-12 refinement was coming out; then, as soon as it came out I seen spammers selling bes at 10 a pack for real money; furthermore, Spammers may not buy alot of the item mall, but they will certainly supply the community with more options to buy gold. This epidemic of spammers will not cease, nor slow down with the item mall becoming tradable trust me on that.

BluFlash wrote ...



Again, I don't think you have made a valid link from tradable cash items to an increase of spammers. Nor have you refuted any of my claims about attacking the spammers economic interest in 9Dragons. If this was a debate.. it would be over.

BE is the current bartering item, true.. but with the release of tradable cash items, a new item will take its place. The value of BE will be diminished because of the increased value of the item mall items.

For example, players currently look to sell their rare weapon that they have for xxxxxxxx in game gold or xx BE. If you don't have any gold or BE.. but really really want that weapon.. you have to buy gold from goldsellers to purchase it.

After tradable cash items, players will look to sell their rare weapon for xxxxxxxx in game gold or xx (cash item y). If you don't have the gold, you can purchase it from a goldseller or purchase xx (cash item y). In this case, most players will purchase xx (cash item y). The best way to ensure that this happens, is to introduce a cheap and highly usable (cash item y) at the same time.

I understand your point as well.. it may be cheaper to purchase gold and purchase a cash item in the stall, instead of purchasing it directly from the item mall. That is all completely dependent on the way the players choose to price their cash items and not whether the items are tradable in game.

Regardless, Acclaim will be cutting into the Goldseller's profit. Now, if you think that will spur them to spam more out of spite, then you might have an argument. However, since they are businessmen, I think they will most likely turn their attention and resources to a game where the profit isn't being cut into.

aimeer1983 wrote ...

It comes back in a full circle wherein a player spending an insane amount of money on an item mall item ends up having little or no money left with which to enjoy the game. Consequently, he will turn to buying gold to help relieve his poverty since at the moment and as aforementioned, it is difficult to earn money in 9Dragons.